Chat mit John Dyer

Hi Jan, this is John Dyer

Your email service keeps blocking my more in detail reply

This is my Brazilian cell number, but our gems usually ship from our US office.

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Here is what I said in the email sent in chunks to be easier to read:

Hi Jan,

The color you want is lovely!

Your reference gem was sold years ago though so if cut today it would cost probably 30% or so more, as prices in Madagascar on the rough have climbed 50% or more since we bought that one you are referring to. (And Madagascar is the best source for fine pinks like this.)

Also, the mm width can vary widely in weight depending on the depth of the rough, often it will be a bit deeper and result in a heavier gem like this one: https://www.johndyergems.com/gemstones/sapphire-5987.html which (in pink) would be a lot more expensive gem.

To help you understand our custom cutting process here is our explanation page on that: https://www.johndyergems.com/custom-cut-gemstones-do-we-cut-to-order.html

The way we do that has some major advantages.
Among the advantages are:

*No need for a downpayment.
*You aren't stuck with a gem if you don't love the results, we just sell it to our other clients.
*We don't charge a premium for "custom" jobs.
*If we happen to have multiple preforms that are close to what is wanted we will sometimes cut more than one and offer options.

But it also has a disadvantage in cases where we don't have a gem preformed that is a good fit for the project and can't predict when one might come along because of how we work tailoring each gem to the rough rather than grinding down the rough to a specific shape or style that doesn't fit it well.

In your case I already went through and checked and don't think we have a preform that fits well the size, shape and color you want that is going to be under one carat finished size and also we have a major backlog of orders for blue/green and teal sapphires so they are what we will mostly be working on for the next few months probably. For us to have a CHANCE of finding something for you we would probably need you to have at minimum a 5 month time frame. Even so I can't guarantee we would find this as it is pretty specific and small, we try to only buy rough that cuts over one carat.

When you look for gems it is important to keep in mind that the milimeter (mm) size is much more relevant than the carat weight for reasons explained here: https://www.johndyergems.com/finding-the-right-gemstone-size.html

A handy tool for seeing what size will work well for you is gemsize.org and info on how to use that online tool is in a short video here: https://jmp.sh/x2UraYtM

If you do have a 5 month plus deadline would you mind filling your info in below?


Name:



Email:



Cellphone:



Enhancement (heat) okay?: (the color you want is EXTREMELY likely to have had at least low temperature heat treatment done, in many cases this is hard to identify even in a professional and highly equipped gem lab and is often done in the bush of Madagascar to remove the bluish tone which makes the pinks more purplish, a purer pink sells for more and so they do a low temperature heating on a lot of pieces of rough and so we always disclose even on the ones we think to be natural that it could have been lightly heated.



Cut: StarBrite™



Colors:



Shape or shapes:



Size: 6x4 more or less



Budget: 3,750 max



Clarity: ?



Deadline: ???





Keep in mind that IF you have alternative shapes, sizes, colors, budget etc you have a better chance of us funding a gem for you in a reasonable time frame, the tighter the specifications the longer it is likely to take.


Warm regards,

John Dyer

Sorry for the LONG messages, but there is no hurry for you to reply

just digest the info as you can and let me know what you think

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Heat DOES change the color, it will not change color again by itself, but the reason they heat these pinks is to make them less purple and more pink.

Did you mean that it needed to be a stable color that wouldn’t change later? Or did you mean that a gem that was heated to make it a more attractive permanent color was not acceptable? (In this shade of pink sapphire you are extremely likely to get a heated gem, even if not called heated or detected by a lab many have low temperature heat treatment)

Some info is here: https://www.instagram.com/vincent_pardieu/p/C2mq01RyDQj/?img_index=3

change color after you purchase it? No, that should not be a problem.

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I have you on my waiting list now!

If I haven't gotten in touch in the next 5-6 months you should probably check back so we don't get too close to your deadline

For what you want you are in first place

but we cut according to overall demand and demand is higher for other colors right now

when I cut pink I almost always cut 20 or more at a time to be efficient

and also to have a chance of finding one that is close to what you want

so that probably won't be started on soon

because I have a lot of other people waiting for other colors

and so I need to cut green, blue and blue green first

which is in fashion right now

(but these things change, I think that pink color is lovely)

So it could be the next fashion😉

sounds good!

danke! ;)

To you also

Hi Jan, I still don’t have a very certain time frame on that. Sorry!

I am pretty sure it will be at least 1-2 months before I can think of preforming pink sapphire based on the demand we have built up for other colors.

We do still have these options, I think the main problem with them is that they are over budget? https://www.johndyergems.com/search_catalog-resp.pl?sc=0&modifier=Ch&color=Pink&shape=Oval&stone_type=Sapphire&agta=Ch&style=Ch&cut_type=Starbrite&carat_range_lo=&carat_range_hi=&length=&width=&sort=c-lo_to_hi&Submit=Search+for+Gems&depth=&simple_search=0&price_category=ret

Right

That is the reason they are more expensive

Hi Jan, you are still on my waiting list! Did any of those details change? If not I have all that already.😊

The good news is that I have a few other requests for smaller pink sapphires now and am a bit closer to preforming some, but it is probably still months away and it is not a good idea to start on the ring before knowing the exact size of the gem

You want a fairly strong pink right?

Not a lighter pink?

Thanks!

If they were the right color and size you would have been notified before they got on the website.😊

That is my goal at least

And yes, thankfully most gems are selling before they even get to the website

Because people are waiting to buy

I know we have some pinks coming out soon but lighter than you want and larger I think

Is that ring by Oore jewelry?

Larger also tends to be more expensive so that can be a problem with the budget

If you go a bit larger we have them already

Here are all the current options in that shape and color range

Yes, that is over your budget. So we need to either wait or consider increasing the budget.

Okay! Good to know

I updated your wait list profile with that info

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You are welcome!

These are the preforms, how I shape them before final cutting and polishing

The weight will be around 50-60% of the weight listed and the mm size usually reduces by about 0.3-0.5mm in each direction.

Not exactly, but you are first in line to be notified about an oval pink I think

So you should get to see photos once finished

That is the best I think

Around 5.6x5.5mm is expected

That one will probably be a round

As it is super close to round

I think number 5 will be closer

To what you want

Most of these, possibly not #2

Hello Jan