Chat mit John Dyer

27. February 2024
20:33
Hi Jan, this is John Dyer
20:33
Your email service keeps blocking my more in detail reply
20:33
This is my Brazilian cell number, but our gems usually ship from our US office.
20:34
Hi :)
Sorry again for the circumstances. Thats tottaly fine with the shipping
20:42
😉👍🏻
20:42
Here is what I said in the email sent in chunks to be easier to read:

Hi Jan,

The color you want is lovely!

Your reference gem was sold years ago though so if cut today it would cost probably 30% or so more, as prices in Madagascar on the rough have climbed 50% or more since we bought that one you are referring to. (And Madagascar is the best source for fine pinks like this.)

Also, the mm width can vary widely in weight depending on the depth of the rough, often it will be a bit deeper and result in a heavier gem like this one: https://www.johndyergems.com/gemstones/sapphire-5987.html which (in pink) would be a lot more expensive gem.
20:43
To help you understand our custom cutting process here is our explanation page on that: https://www.johndyergems.com/custom-cut-gemstones-do-we-cut-to-order.html

The way we do that has some major advantages.
Among the advantages are:

*No need for a downpayment.
*You aren't stuck with a gem if you don't love the results, we just sell it to our other clients.
*We don't charge a premium for "custom" jobs.
*If we happen to have multiple preforms that are close to what is wanted we will sometimes cut more than one and offer options.

But it also has a disadvantage in cases where we don't have a gem preformed that is a good fit for the project and can't predict when one might come along because of how we work tailoring each gem to the rough rather than grinding down the rough to a specific shape or style that doesn't fit it well.
20:43
In your case I already went through and checked and don't think we have a preform that fits well the size, shape and color you want that is going to be under one carat finished size and also we have a major backlog of orders for blue/green and teal sapphires so they are what we will mostly be working on for the next few months probably. For us to have a CHANCE of finding something for you we would probably need you to have at minimum a 5 month time frame. Even so I can't guarantee we would find this as it is pretty specific and small, we try to only buy rough that cuts over one carat.

When you look for gems it is important to keep in mind that the milimeter (mm) size is much more relevant than the carat weight for reasons explained here: https://www.johndyergems.com/finding-the-right-gemstone-size.html

A handy tool for seeing what size will work well for you is gemsize.org and info on how to use that online tool is in a short video here: https://jmp.sh/x2UraYtM
20:44
If you do have a 5 month plus deadline would you mind filling your info in below?


Name:



Email:



Cellphone:



Enhancement (heat) okay?: (the color you want is EXTREMELY likely to have had at least low temperature heat treatment done, in many cases this is hard to identify even in a professional and highly equipped gem lab and is often done in the bush of Madagascar to remove the bluish tone which makes the pinks more purplish, a purer pink sells for more and so they do a low temperature heating on a lot of pieces of rough and so we always disclose even on the ones we think to be natural that it could have been lightly heated.



Cut: StarBrite™



Colors:



Shape or shapes:



Size: 6x4 more or less



Budget: 3,750 max



Clarity: ?



Deadline: ???





Keep in mind that IF you have alternative shapes, sizes, colors, budget etc you have a better chance of us funding a gem for you in a reasonable time frame, the tighter the specifications the longer it is likely to take.


Warm regards,

John Dyer
20:44
Sorry for the LONG messages, but there is no hurry for you to reply
20:44
just digest the info as you can and let me know what you think
20:45
😊
20:48
Sounds like a plan😁
I will answer the questions at home at my pc
20:48
😉👍🏻
21:34
Name: Jan Lauterbach

Email: lauterbach.jl@web.de

Cellphone: +4915732412284 (this number)

Enhancement (heat) okay?: Yes (as long as this doesnt change the Colour)

Cut: StarBrite™

Colors: intense pink (not to dark and not to light)

Shape or shapes: oval

Size: 6x4 more or less

Budget: 3,000 max

Clarity: Im not into that Topic, as clear as possible i guess :) what are the diffrences in the Price?

Deadline: something around 9 months would be great, i dont have that pressure of time, if it takes Longe thats not that bad
21:39
Heat DOES change the color, it will not change color again by itself, but the reason they heat these pinks is to make them less purple and more pink.
21:41
Did you mean that it needed to be a stable color that wouldn’t change later? Or did you mean that a gem that was heated to make it a more attractive permanent color was not acceptable? (In this shade of pink sapphire you are extremely likely to get a heated gem, even if not called heated or detected by a lab many have low temperature heat treatment)
21:43
21:50
i meant that it shoudnt Change Colour, if this isnt the case heat is totaly fine
21:51
change color after you purchase it? No, that should not be a problem.
21:53
than ist totaly fine
21:57
😊
22:02
I have you on my waiting list now!
22:02
If I haven't gotten in touch in the next 5-6 months you should probably check back so we don't get too close to your deadline
22:02
Perfect. On which place am I?😂
22:03
For what you want you are in first place
22:03
but we cut according to overall demand and demand is higher for other colors right now
22:03
when I cut pink I almost always cut 20 or more at a time to be efficient
22:03
and also to have a chance of finding one that is close to what you want
22:04
so that probably won't be started on soon
22:04
because I have a lot of other people waiting for other colors
22:04
and so I need to cut green, blue and blue green first
22:04
which is in fashion right now
22:05
(but these things change, I think that pink color is lovely)
22:05
So it could be the next fashion😉
22:05
thats fine glad for the Service. I will write you in like 4 months lately to check on the progress
22:05
sounds good!
22:06
have a great day :) and best regards from germany
22:06
danke! ;)
22:06
To you also
08. April 2024
17:29
Hi, I know it will probably take some time until the stone is made. But I still wanted to find out if you already know a more precise time frame.
Here are the facts about the stone again, that ypu dont have to read the hole chat again:
Intense pink sapphires
oval
starbrite cut
something under 3k if possible
Size approx. 4×6

Best regards
Jan
18:29
Hi Jan, I still don’t have a very certain time frame on that. Sorry!
19:13
I am pretty sure it will be at least 1-2 months before I can think of preforming pink sapphire based on the demand we have built up for other colors.
19:16
19:35
Thats alright
19:36
Yeah, I think its mainly because they are a little bigger, than i need them to be. Therefore they are a little bit more expensive
19:45
Right
19:45
That is the reason they are more expensive
19:50
Then I guess I have no choice but to wait. Keep up the great work! The wait will be worth it :)
22. June 2024
19:14
Hi John, I hope I'm not annoying you too much. I just wanted to ask again whether there is an approximate time frame. If so, I would start the order for the ring, which is what the stone is for.
Here are the key details again:
strong pink sapphire
oval
starbrite cut
size approx. 4×6, can also be slightly larger (5×7)
Price: approx. 3k
19:24
Hi Jan, you are still on my waiting list! Did any of those details change? If not I have all that already.😊
19:25
The good news is that I have a few other requests for smaller pink sapphires now and am a bit closer to preforming some, but it is probably still months away and it is not a good idea to start on the ring before knowing the exact size of the gem
19:26
You want a fairly strong pink right?
19:26
Not a lighter pink?
19:26
Yes sir
19:29
No, I am very fascinated by your work and am happy to wait a little longer, will be worth it
19:30
Thats nice. I look on your website from time to time but they are mostly to large, another colour or already sold😂
19:40
Thanks!
19:40
If they were the right color and size you would have been notified before they got on the website.😊
19:40
That is my goal at least
19:41
And yes, thankfully most gems are selling before they even get to the website
19:41
Because people are waiting to buy
19:42
I know we have some pinks coming out soon but lighter than you want and larger I think
19:48
I mean i could take a little bit larger stone but i think if its to large i doesnt look good anymore, what do you think?
19:49
Bild
23. June 2024
14:47
Is that ring by Oore jewelry?
14:47
Larger also tends to be more expensive so that can be a problem with the budget
14:48
If you go a bit larger we have them already
14:48
How large and whats the cost?
14:49
Jup, there i saw your gems the first time :)
14:50
14:50
Here are all the current options in that shape and color range
14:59
I think I like this the most when it come to colour. Its a little bite to expensive for me tho. I set myself a limit from 5k for the hole ring. The ring itsself will cost like apr. 1500 I guess. So it shouldnt be that much above 3500 :(
https://www.johndyergems.com/gemstones/sapphire-7587.html
15:07
Yes, that is over your budget. So we need to either wait or consider increasing the budget.
15:08
I would go up to 4k I guess but thats my absolut maximum. So if something comes up for that range you can massage me.
15:08
Okay! Good to know
15:09
I updated your wait list profile with that info
15:09
😊
15:10
Nice, thanks a lot :)
15:15
You are welcome!
16. July 2024
14:58
Bild
14:58
These are the preforms, how I shape them before final cutting and polishing
14:59
The weight will be around 50-60% of the weight listed and the mm size usually reduces by about 0.3-0.5mm in each direction.
19:39
The one in the bottom left (4) could fit. Do you have an example how the colour would look when its done?
19:43
Not exactly, but you are first in line to be notified about an oval pink I think
19:43
So you should get to see photos once finished
19:43
That is the best I think
19:44
Good plan. Number 4 looks like the most intens pink, not sure about the size tho. Has to be something around 4×6mm at the end.
19:44
You cut them all with starbrite cut?
20:16
Around 5.6x5.5mm is expected
20:17
That one will probably be a round
20:17
As it is super close to round
20:17
I think number 5 will be closer
20:17
To what you want
20:18
Most of these, possibly not #2
10. September 2024
20:14
Hello Jan
20:14
Bild
20:14